Topic: ALL CUSTOMS TOPICS MERRGED

[Double Tap]

Here is another update on Canada boarder servies:

http://www.canlii.org/eliisa/highlight.do?text=airsoft&language=en&searchTitle=Search+all+CanLII+Databases&path=/en/ca/citt/doc/2007/2007canlii11265/2007canlii11265.html

It is a Tribunal hearing,this is how the customs will treat your gun.

[Domen]

Well new news, a case that is specific to RAP4, it is even mentioned in the appeal.

http://www.citt-tcce.gc.ca/appeals/decision/ap2g057_e.asp

Also another site which has some question and answers regarding RAMs

http://www.canadianscenariopaintball.com/modules/news/print.php?storyid=34


Now questions have been raised as to what AMMUNITION Mr. Jacques Rioux of the Forensic Laboratory Services of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) used when doing the firing test with the RAMs, so i have contact the Canadian International Trade Tribunal and ask for the ammunition in the case, and as well i have contacted the RCMP to speak with Mr. Rioux. The question that has been raised is if Mr. Rioux used BB's instead of paintballs, because paintballs can cause serious bodily harm to the human body which excludes it from being a replica.

Reference Section 12(A) from the Canadian Border Service Agency
http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/E/pub/cm/d19-13-2/d19-13-2-02-e.html#P120_18987

Reference to paintballs causing serious bodily injury. Happened in Ottawa and gave paintball a bad name for awhile.
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/ottawa/story/2007/05/11/paintball-070511.html

The Good Side of the story which i fully support, as i live in ottawa.
http://www.eastottawa.ca/article-154303-Paintball-community-helps-local-woman.html

As you all read she is not expected to gain full eye sight back which qualifies under the law as serious bodily injury.


Well i will update once i get emails back from the RCMP and CITT.

PS. Also if anyone could give me the legal Canadian definition of serious bodily injury it would be highly appreciated.

D Domen

[Domen]

Well so i was actually sent the Forensic Laboratory Report from The Canadian International Trade Tribunal. The report states that Mr. Rioux used .43 caliber paintballs when doing his testing. But something that was noticeable is he stated

The paintball rifles, Exhibits 1and 2, are barrelled devices from which a projectile can be discharged and that is not normally capable of causing serious bodily injury or death to a person

The Customs memorandum D19-13-2(posted above) does not say not normally capable of causing serious bodily injury or death to a person, it says that if i can cause serious bodily injury (no matter when or where or how often, because a bullet can't always cause serious bodily injury) it is not considered a replica firearm..

So i am still waiting to see if i can contact Mr. Rioux and ask him questions.

Also Double Tap is right customs will seize it no matter what even if in the Criminal Code says it isn't a replica. This is because now one has fought a case and won, so buy from a Canadian dealer, because it is a lot cheaper then getting a lawyer to fight for you, leave it up to the Canadian dealers to fight a case against customs, because they actually have a job that relies on paintball guns.

PS. I would still like my post from above answered(Thank you)

D Domen
Will update soon

[Double Tap]

Thanks Domen,your statement shows that I am not ranting about
Canadians not buying from the states.They have a better chance
now of winning the lottery then getting markers across the border.

[Domen]

Leave it to the companies that actually rely on these products, plus keep small canadian companies alive, buy from inside canada.

D Domen

[Domen]

Just a little update.

The RCMP has not return my email regarding how to contact Mr. Rioux, which i was positive they wouldn't, but on the forensic report there is a contact number if i wish to contact him but i don't find this matter of extreme importance.

But i found a good definition of serious bodily injury on the Correctional Service of Canada site, now since it is not from the criminal code as the criminal code does not define serious bodily injury it is just a reference to what some definitions are of it.

http://www.csc-scc.gc.ca/text/plcy/cdshtm/568-1-cd-eng.shtml

Now the most important parts are "results in permanent physical impairment" and "protracted loss of normal functioning" which both have to do with the impairment of the eye after being shot with a paintball and also the loss of sight(normal functioning).

So that is it for my little investigation. If anybody would like the Forensic Laboratory Report, just PM with an email address, if it is of use to you.

Other than that this is just some information that can be used to understand the law, or help you fight a case if needed.

Best Option - Buy in Canada

Eh!
D Domen

[Ghost848]

I just came to a conclusion! I hate Canada! lol. JK. Its just the fact that canadians are getting narrowed down to picking our @$$ for fun and it really sux. Even lazer tag.... sigh*

[Domen]

Well you can still play the sport just watch out where you play it and how.

Yes, things to do as a hobby in canada is being reduced by the government but there will be an outcry, if provoked, by the public against the government.

But i can't vote yet so i really can't complain about our government.

D Domen

[Ghost848]

well even if you could vote it would matter the only thing that would resovle it is order an Ak and meet it a customs and when they say i cant have it, Youl just snap! But thats besides to point. Well even the real gun laws are being stupid but they have been since '98 and well trying to get a nice gun in canada is retarded, and now its to the point where they take my real guns away to my paintball guns, then what an elastic gun like give it a break. If you go to a state that allows prety much all types of guns with the full auto and shitn cabootle they have a low crime rate the only reason that this is happening to us is because a few insidents where a person snaped a shot everyone  but thats only like what 1 in every 5 years, not to sound like a SOB, but thats not bad average considering how creepy some people are. Liek the other day i herd a shooting in wendys fastfood joint in palm beach i think it was. before that i havent herd of once since probly 3 years ago but i could be very wrong. I know that this is going on about nothing and in a very wrong post but the policies of the Canadian customs is so dumb. There is getting a brain then there determining the difference between an AR-15 and a RAP Mets, like you would have to be really dumb, yes give it realisim looks and all, but if u sat and looked at it for a min you would laugh yourself silly. Even more so with a .68 cal pb gun. If i order a Ion or some stupid space age looked gun i cant even get that through customs because its still a firearm. I am really sick of this garbage of the canadian customs bs and screwing all the players out of a good time. Sorry that my rant about this i could go on but its not going to get us anywhere so .

[Double Tap]

You can thank the Liberil Feds for all this fun when they banned
replicas in 98.Now the provincal Libs are trying to force the Febs
HA HA to ban hand guns in Canada.The Libs want to take your
rights away.They can't organize a one house milk route.

[Domen]

I just think it is a little stupid that they fight so much to stop airsoft and paintball, when used in a crime most often no one could get hurt by the gun, just the police could kill him because of the gun. But that is his fault he did something with a gun and the police got called.

Why ban a gun that doesn't usually hurt people, well maybe a little, mentally, but that all changes when they figure out it was fake.

Spend the money catching people with real illegal guns and stop wasting money on people that won't or practically can't hurt the public.

Eh!
D Domen

[Double Tap]

http://www.canadianscenariopaintball.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=34

says the following (RAP/RAP4 got banned):

"The Canadian Border Services Agency has successfully banned RAP manufactured 43 caliber paintball rifles.

I've been following this one for a while. I'll get into the details of the case - this info is HOT - just released 6:00AM Pacific time this morning (Jan 31 08)

The long and the skinny of it

The CBSA (Canadian Border Services Agency) on January 17th 2007 decided to prohibit RAP manufactured paintball rifles under the Customs Act, citing that they are replicas of the M4 Carbine Assault Rifle.

In Canada, replica firearms are prohibited. The litmus test is that a replica firearm is: designed with near precision to look like an actual firearm, with the exception of antique firearms.

A fellow by the name of Allan Zerr has been taking up the case for RAP in Canada with the CBSA, following through the appeals process up until the final appeal was dismissed by the Canadian Council of Tarriffs and Trade today on January 31st 2008.

[Double Tap]

Link fixed

[Ak-mag]

People this thread is over complicated. UPS does not control what comes into the country customs does.
Ive talked to at least 10 different customs agents and almost all of the convo's I had were different. One idiot said the paintball gun MUST be see through with an orange muzzle, so you can see I'm sure it all depends on the agent looking at your order.
I've personally had a 700$ order siezed 100%(everything from tank to vest to gun)
I recently bought a gen4 disasembled and sent in 2 packages UPS EXP. I got it. I need to sent it
back for repair so I will go through to SHI**ing a brick await for me gun again.
Guys this will be a gamble order from usa dont be surprised if your order is siezed.
-Safe bet buy from dealers IN CANADA.

[Double Tap]

The merge topics button sorts eveything by date and not by separate thread.
It means.Don't order R*a*M* markers or AEG's from from outside Canada.
The problem is,some ppl manage to get one through and blow their horn saying
we unnecessarily make ppl worry.Hey!,it's your money.